Hi Travellyn -
<<"With regard to trains from Lucerne to St Moritz I've seen that there's an option of 1 that goes .. Lucerne, Thalwil, Chur, St M & another option is Lucerne, Zurich, Landquart, St M- which I had read somewhere that the trip from Landquart to St M is particularly scenic. However when I look at a map these areas don't seem that far from the other area( Zurich & Thalwil Landquart & Chur) so do they cover much the same area for scenery? Which option would you choose for scenery & ease of train change over? I notice the Zurich route is about 1/2 hr quicker but aside from that. Thanks">>
Sorry to keep doing this in pieces... I'm having a fair number of interruptions.
The SBB has most of the answers on their web site. Details follow.
Main Stations -
Chur has elevators and may have escalators, as noted in the map in my earlier post. The walkway between train platforms is over the tracks.
Luzern and Zürich:
Both of these stations have a level floor plan for the main tracks. In Luzern...that is all the tracks. In Zürich there are several tracks at lower levels, all accessible by escalators and , as far as I know - also by elevators. You will not need to use the lower levels.
Main tracks 3 through 18 in Zürich all terminate at the same railhead. Tracks 1 and 2 do not come in quite as far and require a few hundred meters extra walk to reach their railheads. Sometimes. Luzern trains have been on 1 and 2, but recently, they seem to have moved to the "regular" tracks numbered 3 to 18.
For some reason I cannot remember Luzern's luggage cart arrangement; however, it is almost surely the same as at Zürich. At Zürich there are queues of heavy duty carts every 30 to 50 meters along the platforms, near the luggage lockers, and near the left luggage office, and at station exits and entrances. The carts are chained together. There is a coin slot on the fastener, which takes a 2 CHF coin, and maybe a 1 euro coin. You insert your coin and wiggle the connector if the connector does not "pop" out of the chain. The cart becomes free of the queue. When you have finished with the cart, perhaps at another platform, you plug the connector back in at another queue. You coin pops out (usually) - sometimes you have to wiggle or pry a bit. Or, sacrifice 2 CHF. ;-(
These carts can go up and down escalators while fully loaded with many bags. They have a gripping mechanism under the cart which grabs the steps of the escalator. Same at Zürich airport, where the carts don't need a coin. They are free.
Zürich is a large station and it , like Luzern, is terminal station. The tracks come to a dead end, and the trains reverse to go back out. The trains may be long. Try to be near the front of the train....usually, that is where the first class cars are on those routes, but, the closer to the front the better in second class. Then, your walk to the rail head and across to another track is shortened. Recently, Zürich has added an undertrack mid-platform passage for the main tracks. It is served by escalators and elevators. If it is near your car when the train stops, you can use it to go from platform to platform without walking all the way to the rail head.
www.sbb.ch/content/dam /infrastruktur/trafima ge/bahnhofplaene/plan-zuerich-hb-a4.pdf#?lang=en
Luzern also has mid-platform underground connector. I do not see elevators there. I don't think that you will need it. There are elevators and escalators at the rail head.
www.sbb.ch/content/dam /infrastruktur/trafima ge/bahnhofplaene/plan-luzern-a4.pdf#?lang=en
Luzern to Zürich -
For 19/4 I checked the morning travel routes for a couple of hours. The trains arrive from Luzern on tracks 5, 6, 7, or 8. These are all on the main floor tracks.
Zürich to Chur or Landquart.
Trains to Chur leave on 8, or 10
As you note, Chur and Landquart are close to each other on the same main rail line. Chur is the last major station, although the tracks obviously continue to the south and west. Branch lines at Landquart and Chur lead to the east. The loop line from Landquart rejoins the "main" line about 10 km beyond Chur at Bonaduz. The Albula line branches off the loop , closer to Chur than to Landquart. The Albula line is a nice ride. Whether you pick it up from connecting through Landquart or through Chur may make some difference in the scenery, but I would not let that drive my choice. I'd go by the schedule choices, plus the clear knowledge of the station lay out at Chur.
I have posted the map of Chur station earlier. Escalators and elevators. I don't recall if they have luggage carts like Zürich's.
For Landquart, which is a small station, I had to look at :
map.search.ch/?x=-594m&y=-92m&z=64&poi=mobility, viasuisse,zug&poi_id=b c9b548a3e17e7e7be0b-mobility
That map does not disclose how to go from platform to platform, nor the platform numbers. The train from Zürich at 1007 arrives Landquart on track 2 and your connection departs on track 8. ( 9 minutes connection.) Absent more detailed knowledge, I'd avoid that connection, since the one through Chur is much much more convenient ( see below.) A desk clerk at any manned station, and certainly at Luzern or Zürich, should be able to tell you the platform/connection arrangements and print you an itinerary card with the details. Do it ahead of time if you want time to study it.
On 19/4 morning trains from Zürich at XX37 arrive at Chur on track 9 and depart on track 10. Those are on two sides of the same platform. See map.
You have six minutes to cross the platform. No problem.
I have gone through all these details so that you can see how to figure out the connections and use the SBB website (or a map).
Therw will be little difference in scenry via landquart or vis chur.
Thalwil is a small station south of Zürich, which allows you to save distance - if you go into Zürich then out again from Luzern to Zürich to Chur, you pass through Thalwil twice - inbound and outbound. It is a small station.
I have not had a chance to look it up. It might work well... especially if it gives you a bit longer connection time.. It could save time on the total trip. On the other hand, If you want to go through Zürich due to sure knowledge of the station, take a train from Luzern that gets you in at least 20 minutes ahead of the xx37 departure from Zürich for Chur. Then you can have a leisurely transfer. During commuter hours the lines from Zug north to Zürich may run a few minutes late. That is a good reason not to change at Zug - some trains do that - and to allow a little extra time for the change of trains at Zürich.
Never done it, but I've been told the gare du Est or du Nord....not sure which one....has miserable set of stairs. It came up in a conversation about traveling from Paris to Zürich or Luzern one time.
If you go from Paris to Luzern instead of Zürich you may change at Basel or Olten. Both are major stations and should have Trafimage maps available on the SBB web site.. Did not check.
Let us know if you need more help on your routing. Barring inadvertent omissions, what I have provided should be enough to let you work out any other trip by yourself...but there are always unforeseen complications until you actually do it. ;-(
it should certainly let you figure out a change at Zürich on the way to Luzern from Paris.