[Travelbug53]

21 March 2017 at 18:27:37 #811150

Hello Moderators and Experts,

We are returning to beautiful Switzerland for the third time in three years this summer. Thanks to your suggestions and advice, we had a wonderful stay in the Bernese Oberland in 2015, and visited The Engadin and Zermatt in 2016. This year, we will spend three days in Luzern and would appreciate your help with our itinerary. We are traveling with the 4-day Swiss Travel Pass.

Day 1 – Travel from Freiburg, Germany to Luzern. Explore the city.

Day -2 Visit Titlis. Do the Cliff Walk and Ice Flyer. Will this take a whole day or or can you suggest places of interest we can combine with the trip to Titlis?

Day 3 – Visit Mount Pilates or Mount Rigi. We can’t decide which one. We visited Jungfraujoch in 2015 and Gornergrat last year. We would also like to fit in a hike. Our favorites in the past were Mannlichen-Klein Scheidegg, Ospizio Bernina-Alp Grum and Muottas Muragl to Alp Languard. We loved the panoramic views. Would the Klewanalp hike described on your website be similar?

Day4- Take the Gotthard Panorama Express to Bellinzona and on to Como. Does the Gotthard Panorama Express follow the same route as the old Willhelm Tell Express or will we miss out on some of the spectacular scenery because of the new tunnel? Also, we plan to take the train to Fluelen instead of the boat to make the trip shorter. Lastly, will the Swiss Travel Pass cover the Italian segment toBellinzona?

As always, thank you for your invaluable insights.

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[Slowpoke]

21 March 2017 at 21:19:53 #860309

HI Travelbug.

Welcome back.

Here is a start \on answers. Others will have to help; I’m a bit short of time at the moment.

This hike may interest you:

http://www.myswissalps.com/fo rum/topic/the-swiss-path-and-southern-lake-lucerne

You can choose different portions of the Swiss Path, which is is described in detail at :

map.wanderland.ch/?lang=de&route=all&bgLa yer=pk&resolution=50&X =682895&Y=201938&layer s=Wanderland

The Kelwenalp to Stockhütte hike has great views, and is higher than the Swiss Path, thus, more mountain views.

We were disappointed in the Klewenalp to Stockhüte section some years ago. Then it was narrow trail of switchbacks, descending 300 meters, and the views did not vary enough from top to bottom of the trail to compensate for effect of the descent on our knees with no compensating gain of varying scenery. That is a contrast with the Muottas Muragl hike, where you get lots of different views.

Pilatus and the Rigi are very different.

http://www.myswissalps.com/pi latus

http://www.myswissalps.com/ri gi

Pilatus is a jagged rock with a little bit of space up top.

The Rigi is more spacious, with fields and forests, and lots of hiking trails.

If you take one of the fast trains from Freiburg in Breisgau to Luzern, you’ll have a good part of the day to tour the city.

It is worth it.

Don’t forget the Bourbaki Panorama near the Lion.

http://www.luzern.com/en/bour baki-panorama

http://www.inyourpocket.com/l ucerne/bourbaki-panorama_125655v

Slowpoke

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22 March 2017 at 6:06:05 #860310

Hi Travelbug53,

I don’t have specific hikes to mention but have always been told by locals Rigi is nicer in the summer for hiking.

The Wilhelm Tell Express was renamed to the Gotthard Panorama Express so it is the same route- read more about it here.

I am not sure I would try to do two mountain trips in one day – especially if you are going to do a few activities on Mt. Titlis as well. You can check train schedules between mountains here.

Your Swiss Travel Pass does cover the entire Gotthard Panorama Express route to Bellinzona, yes. You can see here, what routes are covered by the STP.

Best regards,
Lucas

[Travelbug53]

23 March 2017 at 22:05:25 #860311

Thank you so much Slowpoke. I appreciate your input.

[Travelbug53]

23 March 2017 at 23:09:24 #860312

Thank you for the links Lucas. They are very informative.