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Peterli
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Mar 12, 2018 - 5:24 AM in reply to 1960man

Hi 1960man,

<< You don't even see the Rhone Glacier from the preserved section of the original Furka railway route as it has receded too far (ruined by all us tourists breathing out hot air!). >>

<< Sadly its not really a joke as the Rhone Glacier (and the Swiss mountains as we know them) is in peril: >>

I just sent a message to Alpenrose about the end of the Rhonegletscher at Gletsch, and here I will attach an aerial image (courtesy of Swisstopo) of the entire area that shows how endangered the Rhonegletscher (red oval) really is, much more so than the ones to the south-west. Global warming nay-sayers like 45 should come to see the Rhonegletscher and if this isn't enough they can take a look at Tanzania's Kilimanjaro. Actually, I have seen photos of disappearing glaciers in his own USA so he doesn't really have to come to Switzerland. What scares me even more is the situation on the Indian subcontinent, where so many people depend on the waters flowing from the Himalaya.

I looked at your Mother Nature Network link and must say that I had heard something about this a number of years ago. Very interesting. Imagine covering ice with white blankets to reduce melting !

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Peterli
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Mar 12, 2018 - 7:22 AM

Here is another article I found about the melting Rhonegletscher. In the long term, not very optimistic ! www.ndtv.com/world-news/blankets-cover-swiss-glacier-in-vain-effort-to-halt-icemelt-1254051

Arno
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Mar 12, 2018 - 7:42 AM

Hi everyone,

There's some information about global warming in Switzerland here: www.myswissalps.com/ab outswitzerland/nature/ environment/globalwarm ing

Peterli
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Mar 12, 2018 - 8:33 AM in reply to Arno

Hi Arno,

There is all kinds of interesting information at the link that you provided. I have been looking through it for the last hour, not just at global warming but at Swiss wine production, shopping for groceries, restaurant eating, and national dishes. I was expecting to find Birchermüesli !

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Arno
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Mar 12, 2018 - 9:38 AM in reply to Peterli

Hi Peterli,

That's a good suggestion. Some requests can't be denied, so here it is: www.myswissalps.com/ab outswitzerland/culture history/food.

jagdishmn
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Mar 12, 2018 - 7:05 PM in reply to 1960man

Hi 1960man,

You don't need to fear as I have done the planned itenary a few times .Earlier I would fly back home but this time my plan is to proceed to Venice and Rome .

The day 04 is only a travel day to Venice to make a scenic journey.

Thanks for your suggestion . would try working on it .

Peterli
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Mar 12, 2018 - 7:08 PM in reply to Arno

Hi Arno,

Did you already have it there ? I had been looking at the column on the right entitled "Typical Swiss dishes" and hadn't noticed the müesli in the left column. In any case, I read the list of common ingredients and was surprised that you mention wheat but not oats ! Every Birchermüesli I have ever made or eaten elsewhere was made with oats, and of course many of the other goodies you have mentioned. I am big on including fresh berries and, I must admit, a bit of real whipped cream on top.

Arno
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Mar 12, 2018 - 7:57 PM in reply to Peterli

Hi Peterli,

No it was added today. The wheat/oats mix-up is probably my limited English vocabulary regarding ingredients. But of course you're right. More specifically one can describe it as oatmeal (rolled oats), right? I'll change that. The whipped cream is new to me but I bet it's good :-)

rockoyster
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Mar 12, 2018 - 8:14 PM in reply to Arno

Rolled oats Arno. Oatmeal is finely ground.

Peterli
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Mar 12, 2018 - 9:15 PM in reply to Arno

Hallo Arno,

Actually, I often use "Hej !" when sending messages. No need for you to apologize for your English vocabulary. Je Engels is geweldig. When I am in the Netherlands I never cease to be impressed by how many people speak three or more languages very fluently. Quite unlike some people in some countries who expect that everybody should speak their language, no matter where they go in the world.

Thanks for adding Birchermüesli to the "food and drink section". The whipped cream I mention is usually added when it is being served as a dessert ! 😋

You might consider adding Lidl to your list of lower-cost stores for groceries. The Germans are coming ! I was in the Aldi in Morat (Murten) last September and I was very impressed. It is very new, super clean, and it even had an in-store bakery. Here are a few photos from that Aldi. Notice the Swiss flags in the last image that designate products that are produced in Switzerland. Hopefully, this encourages people (both locals and tourists) to "Buy Swiss".

Another place tourist might find good for a quick and not too expensive meal is Manor Food.

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Mar 13, 2018 - 4:21 AM in reply to rockoyster

>> I think this Canadian program www. discovery. ca/Shows /Mighty-Trains/Trains/About-the-Glacier-Express was on SBS late 2016, early 2017.

Wish I had have seen it! Unfortunately the online version isn't available if accessing via an Australian ISP.

Alpenrose

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Mar 13, 2018 - 4:32 AM in reply to Peterli

Hi Peterli,

>> I just finished watching the first segment (Teil 1) of the three videos from SWR Mediathek ... I thoroughly enjoyed watching it

Glad you enjoyed it!

>> Nowadays, the train from Zermatt goes through a tunnel from Oberwald to Realp and so one doesn't even get to see where the glacier was !

Yes. However, that means the Glacier Express can run all year. Before the tunnel was built, operations were limited to the summer season.

You probably already know that you can still travel over part of the old line in the Furka-Dampfbahn, which operates between June and October, and includes a stop in Gletsch.

Alpenrose

Peterli
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Mar 13, 2018 - 6:23 AM

Hi Alpenrose,

I did get around to watching the second segment (Teil 2) and they did show some black and white footage of Gletsch in the good old days and also the restored old line that runs during the Summer months. I'll get around to Teil 3 sometime soon, I hope. Thanks again for bringing it to our attention.

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Arno
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Mar 13, 2018 - 6:35 PM in reply to rockoyster

Thanks Rockoyster, rolled oats it is.

Arno
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Mar 13, 2018 - 6:36 PM in reply to Peterli

Thanks for your kind words Peterli! Lidl has been added to the page, it is a wonderful store.

jagdishmn
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Mar 14, 2018 - 10:44 AM in reply to Lucas

Hi Lucas ,

I find some problem in searching for trains from Lugano to Venice. If you don mind can you please provide the link as Im still working on the route as you suggest, onlything is the full day travel or is there any other option to cut short the travel duration with minimum scenic route ?

jagdishmn
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Mar 14, 2018 - 11:19 AM

Hi Lucas,

Shall i plan the lucerne -lugano without the boat ride , but include the leftover journey to lugano?

Lucas
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Mar 14, 2018 - 12:06 PM in reply to jagdishmn

Hi Jagdishmn,

I use the Swiss railways timetable, I linked it on my first reply to you . Here is the link again. Enter Lugano to Venice (it will give you Venezia S. Lucia by default which is what you want).

You'll find many train options but all take around 5 hours. There is one direct train to Venice leaving at 11:20 from Lugano and takes 4 hours and 20 minutes though. There is another train with 2 connections (Milan and Venice Mestre) that is 4 hours and 5 minutes.

Those are your fastest options.

1960man
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Mar 16, 2018 - 12:55 AM in reply to jagdishmn

The 'quick way' is to get the one train a day that runs through from Zurich to Venezia (Train EC15), arriving at 15.40. It stops at Zug (09.31) and Arth Goldau (09.50), both quick connecting journeys from Luzern.

The other alternative is a Luzern - Milano through train then change for a Milano - Venezia train.

Both routes are still scenic. Even though the trains go through the new Gotthard base tunnel, Luzern / Zug - Arth Goldau - Altdorf and the Biasca - Bellinzona - Chiasso sections are still scenic with lake and mountain views.

jagdishmn
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Mar 16, 2018 - 9:03 AM

Thanks 1960man at this time when Im still cracking a way to venice with scenic journey considering all possible short routes as Iam travel with luggage.

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