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First of all it is worth understanding the facts about the Glacier Express (** for reasons and background see below)
Personally I would also skip the Gotthard Panorama Express (reservation only – 1st class only lots of valley /motorway views not many mountains) .
To get to Zermatt via Andermatt in a relaxing way I would take a direct local train Luzern – Göschenen (change at Erstfeld) . It is just about worth doing the Glacier Express route Andermatt – Zermatt but you can do that on ordinary trains too (saves money, same views and is a more ‘local’ experience usually with just 1 change in Visp
**Glacier Express:
Take care with the hyped-up marketing of the Glacier Express. It is not the ‘be all and end all’ of Swiss tourist travel options.
To understand that comment it is worth taking a moment to understand the Glacier Express and its history:
It was created (as one train each way daily) with the notion that well-healed travellers taking long holidays in Switzerland in the ‘Belle Epoque’ era (1930s) would stay in Zermatt and then also go and stay in the other fashionable resort of the time, St Moritz. The train was named (mainly) after the Rhone Glacier which has now melted so much that you don’t see it from the train and in any case the train runs under the Rhone Glacier in a base tunnel which replaced the Furka mountain section in 1982.
Points to bear in mind about the Glacier Express:
Although the whole journey is in the mountains, a lot of it is in valleys – where you get some good views of bubbling rivers but not all the time – there are some mundane sections.
in truth there are only 4 really spectacular sections – in order West to East: the loops around Grengiols and Fiesch; Andermatt – Oberalppass – Disentis; Ruinaulta (Rheinschucht aka Rhein gorge); Albula north ramp loops and spirals Tiefencastel – Filisur – Preda
The trip is a long one – tourists can frequently be seen sleeping rather than watching the view and missing the spectacular bits anyway!
the same railway lines can be travelled using ordinary local trains which are no slower in practice due to the single track infrastructure
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We recently did the Glacier express and loved it for the commentary and the history and the views. We did the excellence class. We did St Moritz – Zermatt. The best views IMO were at the St Moritz end but we enjoyed every minute of the trip. It was a fantastic day. We preferred it to Montreux.
Later we took regional trains from Zermatt to Wengen. What a nightmare! We changed trains 5 times, I think, each time having to find platforms and drag our luggage with us.
In mid June we found 1st class travel the way to go for us. It was quiet, there were seats available, the seats and leg room were bigger.
if the weather is bad in Zermatt you may not see anything in your one day there. There is no guarantee that the weather will be clear with 2 days either but it gives you another chance. The Matterhorn can be cloudy but the Gornergrat sunny. It takes ages to get up to each of the peaks. Allow about 3 hrs for each total.
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If I maybe permitted to add some perspective…
“Later we took regional trains from Zermatt to Wengen. What a nightmare! We changed trains 5 times”
A nightmare maybe but unfortunatley that is the railway network that is available! Direct way Zermatt to Wengen is 4 changes. This cannot be helped, after all this is the Swiss Alps, and two of the legs of the journey are on metre gauge and one is on 800mm gauge – railways were built to narrower gauges in the high mountains where standard gauge doesn’t work due to tight curvature of steep inclines to be overcome.
“It takes ages to get up to each of the peaks”
I can’t agree that the journey up to Gornergrat from Zermatt takes ‘ages’ . The train takes just 33 minutes, which is pretty good for a railway up a mountain to over 3000m (10,000ft) opened in 1898
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Hi 1960man-
<<“Personally I would also skip the Gotthard Panorama Express (reservation
only – 1st class only lots of valley /motorway views not many mountains)
.”>>
I agree with that. What you do not mention is that, for some people, the views of and the ride on that rail line is worth the trip. The engineering is fascinating. However, if that does not interest you, then your comments stand alone, and are certainly accurate.
If you include the boat ride,the part between Brunnen and Flüelen appeals most to me.
Slowpoke
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Yes, but that is what you suggest people do instead of the Glacier express. I loved the fact the Glacier Express was one train, one seat for the entire time – no changes.
to get up to the mountains you have to factor in waiting for the train or cable car changing trains or cable car, waiting for the next one then doing the same on the way down. I factored in the 33 mins but didn’t realise all the wait times add up. Others may not realise this either.
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Hi Paddington.
You’re right about the change of trains. Not having to do that is a meaningful benefit of the Glacier Express, vs. “regular” trains. However, for some, it is merely a minor inconvenience; for others, it is quite important.
Perhaps you have noted the comments about traveling with limited luggage here and there throughout the Forum? ;-(
At least one forum poster a while ago said they’d prefer more time with the scenery at Zermatt vs. the hour longer option of the Lötschberger train, when doing a day trip from the Jungfrau region to Zermatt.
Slowpoke
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I have one small spinner bag which I can lift myself and either a back pac or small shoulder bag depending on what I need for the day. I travel light but still found the constant train changes annoying. I understand the necessity for the changes but if I have a choice I’d definitely go for the express train.
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I think we can safely conclude that opinions differ on the matter of panoramic versus regional trains. I think the panoramic trains offer a number of benefits that make the additional seat reservations costs worth it, such as comfortable seats, panoramic windows, the ongoing routes without changes of trains, information provided on the route, railway engineering and environment, and so on. Especially for first-time visitors or those who can explore a specific route only once in a liftetime, these can be important factors. But I also enjoy traveling by local trains and I can understand why some prefer that mode of traveling. To each their own!