Bernina/Glacier Express alternative for December
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dgwallaceParticipant7 posts10 August 2022 at 22:22:15 #828039
I have only 2 days in December to visit Switzerland, and I very much wanted to take either the Bernini Express or the Glacier Express.if However, it seems that both routes do not operate on December 4 & 5, which is when I will be there. Can you suggest/recommend a scenic train route that would be comparable to either of those that will be running the first part of December? Thanks!
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Removed userParticipant72625 posts10 August 2022 at 23:36:55 #945455
That’s correct, the Glacier Express (GEX) takes an Autumn break . However, the Bernina Express (BEX) runs daily
But don’t forget you can always travel on all the lines which the GEX covers by normal trains, so you can do some circular day trips that take in parts of the so called ‘Glacier Express route’ (which is just a special train service running over the lines of the MGB railway and RhB railway), where there are always other trains on the line. Same applies to BEX.
Let us know your base and I can suggest some routes.
Removed userParticipant72625 posts11 August 2022 at 8:51:44 #945456Hi dgwallace and welcome to MySwissAlps.com!
The Bernina Express (train) operates all year round. The bus operates until 27 November 2022. Learn more about the route: http://www.myswissalps.com/berninaexpress/gettingthere.
The Glacier Express runs from May 14 to October 23 2022 (summer timetable). then there’s a maintenance break from late October to mid-December. Learn more: http://www.myswissalps.com/glacierexpress/gettingthere.
The Golden Pass (from Montreux to Lucerne via Interlaken and back) operates all year round: http://www.myswissalps.com/goldenpass/gettingthere.
Ildiko
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dgwallaceParticipant7 posts12 August 2022 at 2:28:20 #945458I’m not exactly sure where to post my response, so I’ll post it a couple of places. This is very good news about the Golden Express and other trains! I’ll be visiting a friend in Munich till December 2. I then hoped to travel on trains to see the beautiful Alps in winter and visit some Christmas markets.
Following is my trip schedule so far. I will be in Munich Friday, Dec 2 through December 4. I will be staying in Lucerne the night of December 4. I have a hotel reserved in Lyon for December 5. I have a hotel reservation in Paris beginning the evening of December 6.
All of these reservations are flexible and can be revised or canceled. If I have overbooked or if my points of interest aren’t logical, I’m definitely open to suggestions.
Thank you for your help,
AnnaModerator6362 posts12 August 2022 at 6:06:19 #945459Hi dgwallace,
It looks like you have a tight schedule. Based on your travel plans, you could probably squeeze in a trip on the Voralpen Express from St Gallen to Lucerne. The train from Munich goes via St Gallen so you can probably switch to the Voralpen Express enroute. You can check train schedules on the SBB timetable.
Regards,
Anna
Removed userParticipant72625 posts12 August 2022 at 9:25:12 #945460Wow that’s a tight schedule to see any of the Alps proper. To do what you want to do would be easy by Inter City trains but you would only get distant views of the high alps.
However, I have travelled on 90% of railways in Switzerland (some routes many times) in my 62 years!, so I had a think about ways you could do it.
One option which takes in two of the six ‘mega’ sections of the Glacier Express route is:
Munchen HBf 08.55 – St Margrethen 11.09 (SBB tilting train: Eurocity train EC196)
(hopefully time to pick up a picnic lunch here)
St Margrethen 11.47 – Chur 12.48 (SBB route IR13)
Chur 12.56 – Disentis Muster 14.11 (RhB railway) [Highlight- Reinaulta Swiss Grand Canyon gorge)
Disentis Muster 14.11 – Andermatt 15.22 (MGB railway – highlight: Oberalp Pass summit; looping descent Naetschen – Andermatt (superb views))
Break in Andermatt
Andermatt 16.50 – Goeschenen 17.06 (MGB train – very famous Schoellenen Gorge line)
Goeschenen 17.09 – Luzern 18.41 (Treno Gottardo train)
dgwallaceParticipant7 posts13 August 2022 at 15:53:31 #945461I’m sorry! I got the details of my itinerary completely wrong!
Actually, I will be staying in Milan, Italy, until the morning of December 4. Then I want to do whatever I can to see the Swiss Alps until my hotel reservation in Paris on the the evening of December 6.
I have flexible reservations on December 4 in Lucerne and flexible reservations in Lyon, France on December 5 because I had thought that both of those locations would be smart for the beginning and ending of Bernini or Glacier Express on my way to Paris. However, as I said, those reservations can be canceled if you advise me of a better alternative.
So basically, from the time I check out of my Milan hotel on the morning of Dec 4 until I check into my Paris hotel on the evening of Dec 6, I want to spend my time riding a train through the Alps and seeing Swiss/French Christmas markets.
I hope this clarifies and makes my plans seem a bit more logical.
By the way, you have no idea how thrilledl I am to have found this website and how grateful I am for all your help.
Attachments:AnnaModerator6362 posts13 August 2022 at 17:37:20 #945462Hi dgwallace,
If you’re starting out from Milan, then the most sensible scenic train option is the Bernina Express from Tirano to Chur. From Chur you can take a connecting train to Lucerne. So the route would be: Milan – Tirano – Chur – Lucerne (via Zurich).
You can check train tickets from Milan to Tirano here: http://www.myswissalps.com/traintickets/italy. For the Bernina Express segment and the train journey to Lucerne, I suggest looking at getting a Saver Day Pass. You will also need to make a seat reservation on the Bernina Express.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Anna
dgwallaceParticipant7 posts13 August 2022 at 21:10:03 #945463Yes, the route information is helpful. I understand that the Bernina Express won’t be running on those dates, but hopefully, I can find a train that runs the same route.
Removed userParticipant72625 posts13 August 2022 at 22:42:05 #945464OK – that changes things!
In addition to Anna’s correct comments about Milan – Bernina – Chur:
Lyon is totally illogical as a stopover on a tightly timed journey Milan – Swiss Alps – Paris.
Recommendation: Do what Anna suggests and get to Chur. Then go to Zurich for a Christmas Market, then go via Basel (also has a nice Xmas market) and Lyria TGV to Paris
dgwallaceParticipant7 posts14 August 2022 at 19:27:39 #945465Milan — Swiss Alps — Paris — got it! So with that route, can you recommend where I should stay between leaving Lucerne on the morning of Dec. 6, and checking into Paris on the evening of Dec 8? Which town would be a good choice between? Or should I explore Lucerne an extra day and do the entire train route in one day?
AnnaModerator6362 posts15 August 2022 at 4:15:40 #945466Hi dgwallace,
The journey from Milan to Lucerne via Tirano and Chur might be along one. It will probably be late evening by the time you reach Lucerne, maybe with enough time to catch the Christmas market. But you might need another day to to explore the city. So, yes, stay an extra night. From Lucerne, you can also easily do day trips to Zurich or Bern or plan a short mountain excursion to Rigi. More sightseeing options here: http://www.myswissalps.com/lucerne/activities
Regards,
Anna
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