Which seat to reserve on Gotthard Panorama Express

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poncedelon
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Jul 10, 2019 - 5:22 PM

Hi-

On the SBB site it shows a train layout with seat selections that appear to have a single on one side-a window, and 2 seats on the other, window and aisle.

i am traveling North to South and would like to make sure that the seats i choose are 1. facing forward and 2. that If i want to sit next to my wife am i sitting on the side with 2 seats?

Please advise thank you...

rockoyster
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:05 PM in reply to poncedelon

The layout you describe is typical of all 1st Class carriages.

As far as I’m aware you can only nominate preferences for seats, you can’t actually pick them off a seating plan as you can with the Glacier or Bernina Express trains.

If you prefer to sit side-by-side I think the way you are facing is going to be a bit pot luck.

Do you have a link for where you saw the seat plan?

Last modified on Jul 10, 2019 - 11:06 PM by rockoyster
poncedelon
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:10 PM in reply to rockoyster
Last modified on Jul 10, 2019 - 11:10 PM by poncedelon
1960man
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:14 PM in reply to poncedelon

Personally, for two people, I prefer face to face single seats in first class coaches. Each person sees a slightly different perspective if one of you is facing forward and one backward, plus if you sit side by side in the 2 abreast seating as a couple you will both be facing people you don't know in the other seats

poncedelon
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:16 PM in reply to 1960man

excellent point, thanks

rockoyster
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:18 PM in reply to rockoyster

Well I’ll be blessed. Never seen that one before. That is the RHB site not SBB. On a day I looked at it said 9 seats vacant but let me pick just about any seat in the coach! Go figure.

They don’t indicate direction of travel but for what it’s worth the single fa ing seat where on the right heading north. Whether the trains simply reverse direction at each end I can’t say for sure but it seems probable.

If you follow 1960man’s sound advice it matters not.

Last modified on Jul 10, 2019 - 11:35 PM by rockoyster
1960man
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:26 PM in reply to rockoyster

Trivia:

RHB = Rorschach Heiden Bergbahn

RhB = Rhätische Bahn

:-)

Last modified on Jul 10, 2019 - 11:26 PM by 1960man
1960man
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:31 PM in reply to rockoyster

It's hard to say if the coaches stay the same way round all the time as I don't know where they stable the stock overnight. It is also possible that some of the coaches will have the single seats on one side and some on the other depending on how they have been coupled up.

In the meantime, this Czech web site that specialises in train formations has some pictures:

www.vagonweb.cz/fotoga lerie/CH/SBB_Apm-pano.php

rockoyster
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:32 PM in reply to 1960man

😖

poncedelon
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Jul 10, 2019 - 11:34 PM

and i thought it was a simple one.....

rockoyster
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Jul 11, 2019 - 1:32 AM in reply to 1960man

OK 1960man riddle me this: Why is RhB running a set reservation service on the Gotthard Panorama Express - train service they have nothing to do with?

rockoyster
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Jul 11, 2019 - 1:39 AM in reply to poncedelon

Nothing is ever simple with the Gotthard Panorama Express which is possibly why 1960man offers this advice.

The official MySwissAlps line is make your bookings using one of these sources.

Last modified on Jul 11, 2019 - 2:31 AM by rockoyster
Arctic Wolf
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Jul 11, 2019 - 10:54 AM

Hi Rockoyster,

Did a dummy run to book seat reservation only, but there's no drop down for Eurail Global Pass which covers the journey free and nothing for seat reservation only.

Would cost CHF194 for seat reservation for 2!!!!!!!

ps that's from Lugano to Fluelen.

rockoyster
rockoyster
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Jul 11, 2019 - 10:58 AM in reply to Arctic Wolf

Just fib and say you have a Swiss Travel Pass or your own ticket. The goal is to get the right price for just the supplement (aka reservation). As long as you have a reservation and any pass that covers your travel once you board the train all will be well.

Arctic Wolf
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Jul 11, 2019 - 11:08 AM

Hi again,

Where do I fib to say I have tickets and want just seat reservation only?

Annika
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Jul 11, 2019 - 12:34 PM

Hi Arctif Wolf! Where did you get to see this total amount of CHF 194 for seat reservations only? I just checked the fares on Happyrail (https://www.happyrail. com/en/pass/europe/swi tzerland/passholder-fares-gotthard-panorama-express) and this is what I got:

  • CHF 23 per person for seat reservations Lugano-Flüelen only, which is the right fare if you have a 1st class Eurail Global Pass;
  • CHF 52 per person for seat reservations Lugano-Flüelen plus an upgrade ticket for 1st class, which is required if you travel with a 2nd class Eurail Global Pass. It's explained at myswissalps.com/gottha rdpanoramaexpress/tick ets.

You don't have to indicate which pass you have when ordering here. It assumes you already have a valid ticket or pass, and you have indeed.

The RhB website asks for reduction options indeed and doesn't show the option of a Eurail Global Pass. Instead you'd choose the "GA Travelcard", which for the section Lugano-Flüelen offers free traveling, just as with the Eurail Global Pass. However, it doesn't ask whether you'll be holding a 2nd or 1nd class travelcard, so I can't tell whether the system assumes you'll be having a 2nd class pass and then automatically includes the upgrade to 1st class in the fare that's offered. Also, the information on passes and discount options seems a bit outdated, as it mentions the Swiss Transfer Ticket which no longer exists as of January 2019.

Last modified on Jul 11, 2019 - 12:52 PM by Annika
Arctic Wolf
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Jul 11, 2019 - 1:49 PM

Hi Annika, I used the link that poncedelon gave above. I wasn't aware that you can nominate the GA Travelcard as your ticket,so thanks for pointing that out for me. Also on the RhB website you can choose your seats which I don't think you can on other sites, hence my question of why there was no option for Eurail G P.

We have a 1st class ticket so we will be good to go. Thanks again.

rockoyster
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Jul 11, 2019 - 9:00 PM in reply to Arctic Wolf

Sorry Arctic. I had not seen or used that RhB site before so just assumed it would look like the Bernina Express site which offers more fibbing options. 😉

GA fib works also.

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